Can Synchronicity Help Us Heal? Mary Glesige Explains

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Hello and welcome to Author Conversations.

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As usual, I'm Chris Dabbs and my guest today is Mary Glesige, author of "Open the Gate"

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a journey into synchronicistic healing.

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Now, Mary has spent more than 40 years exploring spirituality, meditation, and a wide range

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of holistic practices.

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But this book is also a very personal story.

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It's about illness.

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It's about grief.

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It's about intuition, synchronicity, and ultimately learning to become your own advocate.

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Mary, welcome to author conversations.

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It's a pleasure to have you here.

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Thank you so much, Chris.

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I am very anxious to be here and talk to you.

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Yes, sir.

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Thank you.

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Excellent.

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Well, that's a good start.

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So, I tell you what, let's dive straight into the question, then.

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Firstly, you'd already spent many years exploring healing and spiritual practices, as I mentioned,

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before you became seriously unwell yourself.

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I mean, did that kind of experience change the way you understood everything that you

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thought you already knew and were therefore passing on to others?

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I mean, how did it affect you?

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Well, you know, Chris, when you are extremely ill, you have a tendency to fall into that

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energy of pain and hurting.

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And when you do fall into the pain and hurt it, you forget everything that you know kind

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of goes out the window.

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And you have to remember that when I became ill was 2020.

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And so, this was a time of COVID.

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I did not have COVID.

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But what happened with COVID is it that created an isolation.

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Everybody isolated themselves because they didn't want to get COVID.

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I became very ill.

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And I didn't have any support.

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I didn't have anyone.

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I didn't have the animals that I have now.

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I was by myself and there were neighbors, but no one would come and help me because of COVID.

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So, I was by myself.

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So, I kind of got absorbed into the pain and everything that I had learned as far as healing

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kind of was just out there because the pain took over.

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And I just got to the point where I, it wasn't like, okay, Mary, you got this pain.

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But what can you do about it?

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I wasn't there.

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I was just too absorbed into the pain.

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I would rock at night in pain and cry.

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So I allowed myself to get into the pain instead of backing up.

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Until my daughter called me and then when she called me, I started to have a straighter mind

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about what did I need to do?

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What could I do till I got help?

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And my oldest daughter was coming to see me for Thanksgiving.

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And I hadn't been able to go to a physician because of the fact of COVID.

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I had already been to Egypt and they didn't want to see you if you'd been out of the country.

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And there were a lot of people who were being diagnosed with COVID that didn't have COVID.

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I did not have COVID.

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I knew I didn't have COVID.

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And so I had to wait till my daughter came and she came and she helped me and she took me

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to the doctor.

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And then the doctor told me that he thought I had rheumatoid arthritis.

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And the medical test did not support that diagnosis.

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He said, I can still send you to a rheumatologist and I said, no, I don't want to do that because

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he told me that the medication was very hard on the body.

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And I happened to be a person who believes in natural medicine or a natural way of handling

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things.

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But I had let the pain take over that knowledge.

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And so I had to get back to that knowledge.

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And so he gave me steroids and that masked the pain, but it didn't find the source.

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He didn't know what the source was.

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He had no idea what it was.

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And when I told him that I thought that this was a parasite that I had picked up in Egypt,

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he just kind of put the idea.

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And I have learned a lot since then that a lot of medical doctors do not understand parasites,

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what they can do to the body, what they have done to your body.

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And so I decided that I needed to become my own advocate.

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I had to find my way.

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And luckily enough, I had a friend of mine who was not only an MD, but a holistic physician.

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And she said, come see me.

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So I went to see her.

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And she said, the first thing we need to do is we need to clean out your stomach.

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We need to clean out all of your intestines.

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We need to get your body back on track.

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But she happens to be one who is a very spiritual sister with me.

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So we have gone to retreats together.

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So not only is she an MD and could understand the test results that my doctor had given me,

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but she did holistic medicine.

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So she knew naturally what to give me, what I would want to do because she understood that

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natural part of me and how to get me back.

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And she got me back into the meditation and the yoga, which I had gone away from because

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of the fact that I had been so ill, but she brought it back to me into that and into the

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Ayurvedic concept.

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I don't know if you know what Ayurvedic is, but it's a concept of healing.

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It means science of life.

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And so the yoga and the meditation and the breathing are all part of the Ayurvedic system.

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So I was able to bring that back in for myself and start to become my own advocate in my own

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way.

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But she helped me carry and help me get back on that track.

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She helped me to reset my mind and help me to move forward.

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And so I had, I had some very good friends and of course she was not afraid of COVID.

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And so, but I did not, I don't believe in vaccines for me.

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Anybody else wants to do that?

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That's your call.

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That's what you decide for yourself.

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I did not do that and she did not do that.

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So she and I are on the same page.

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And we did meditation in yoga every day.

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And then she also gave me the right foods that I needed to make sure that my body was on

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track and was getting back to some kind of normalcy.

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So I owe a great deal of thanks to her.

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And so I came home and I continued and I started searching what I needed to do and searching

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and talking with different people.

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And it was interesting because I had a very good friend who sent me a book called The Magic

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by Ronda Burn and it is a book on gratitude.

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And so it was a 28 day kind of a journal that you do and being grateful for everything in

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your life that you already have, everything in your life that you did have and being appreciative

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and thankful and your gratitude for the everything that the smallest thing from the

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garbage man who picks up your garbage to the garbage cans to the toilet paper that you

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have and where it came from.

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So it's being grateful for every little thing that you have had that you do have and that

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you will have.

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And I found that when I did that, that the synchronicity just started flowing to me and people

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started coming into my life and different modalities that I hadn't tried and thought of

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started appearing.

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And I realized that this is what I needed to find.

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I needed to find this path that led me from one modality to another that was combined

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in.

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For instance, if I could share this with you, is an ancestral work.

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I never thought that ancestral work had anything beneficial.

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I thought, ah, it's ancestral.

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And I found out that was true.

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I had a friend who had a course and I took his course, but it wasn't enough.

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And I had another friend who was PhD and a doctor and she has a class and we did this online

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class because it was still covered of family and sister and I really enjoyed it and woke

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up to realize that I was carrying my father's problems, that I was hurting and at night and

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I could barely move.

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Before I saw my friend Karen, I had a demon all over my body.

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My joints hurt, my legs hurt.

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I could barely sit down.

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And when I after I saw Karen, I started getting better and then when I did the book, I started

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getting better and then I realized with the ancestry that my father who did have rheumatoid and

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gown arthritis and was an over 40 style Vatican.

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His hands were like this because he was in such bad shape and as well as his feet and his

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legs and he would take one step at a time going up and down the stairs and I found myself

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doing the same thing.

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Sorry to interrupt that Mary.

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Some people might just think that you're talking about ancestry.com or something along those

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lines.

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When you've just got a little hobby and you're doing that, but what you're talking about

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is bringing over ancestral trauma or something like that.

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Is that right?

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Yes, it's called constellation work.

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Right, okay.

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A constellation work and if you look at constellation work, it's about the whole family and looking

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at the whole picture.

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And so the plan is completely different than going to ancestry.com.

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And that's nothing to do with ancestry.com.

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It has to do with the traumas, the good and the bad, the highs and the lows of what you

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have had in your family for generations.

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How far back are you carrying something?

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You know, you're told by the doctor sometimes that you inherited this condition from your

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mother or from your grandmother or grandfather.

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For instance, my son was told that he had inherited from his other grandmother.

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This has to do with blood disease that you have and he could bleed out.

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And so he has to take something for that.

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Now that's descended and we know that from medical, but do you have to own that?

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You're talking about the mind and the emotions.

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Do you have to really own that?

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And what I found out for me is that I did not because I was owning my father.

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I did not have to own that.

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That was him.

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That was for him.

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Those were his issues and what he had to deal with, but I had incorporated them because

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I had seen it since I was a child.

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But what I learned in the class is that I don't have to own them.

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I can give them back.

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Now that takes a lot of work.

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Emotionally, mentally and spiritually.

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And it's not something that you just snap your fingers and it goes away.

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It's a constant work.

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I'm still working on it.

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I still work through that.

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I still have some problems going up and downstairs.

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And then I have to accept that, okay, this is where I am.

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Let's keep moving forward.

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Let's don't give in to the pain anymore.

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We have to manage that pain and that's what I do.

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Because there are times when I hurt not as bad as I did before because I have learned an

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anti-inflammatory diet.

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What I have is severe inflammation that causes a demon sometimes in my body.

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And so my legs will swell or my back up my knees will swell.

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And I have to manage that.

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I don't manage it by taking a water pill.

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I manage it now because I can do yoga.

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And I do the yoga and I do the anti-inflammatory diet which helps me to get rid of the excess

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fluid.

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And if you keep moving, you keep walking.

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I walk every day.

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I walk with my dogs.

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I take them out three times a day for 30 minutes or longer.

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And as far as I can go.

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And I feel much better than I come back.

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And when I do my yoga, I have stretched my IT bands.

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Don't hurt anymore.

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And I'm feeling a whole much better for the rest of the day.

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Wow.

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I mean, you know, that sounds like, oh, yeah, take the dogs out.

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Oh, yeah, do some yoga and things.

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But I mean, it's taken a long time to get there, isn't it?

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In terms of five years.

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Five years.

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Five years.

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Five years.

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Five years.

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And I still have trouble with my legs.

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And I have to learn to what you can do and what you can push through.

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And being very positive and don't let that negativity creep in and don't let, oh, my

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God, somebody come save me.

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No, I have to save myself.

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You're in charge of your one healing.

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I'm in charge of my own healing.

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And I have to find my way.

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Yeah.

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And from what, you know, what you said earlier on about the, well, I think you were inferring

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really the gut health and intestinal health as well.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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You know, that's super important, isn't it?

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And I don't think enough people understand that.

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I mean, so after you worked on that, were you feeling better because you actually managed

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to get rid of the parasite or did you just move on from that to the ancestral part?

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I, if you have animals, you have parasites.

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Okay.

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So I have animals.

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So I'm constantly doing something to eliminate what might be, what I consider to be a parasite

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and is having, is giving me a problem that I think is in my body.

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And I find occasionally, and I'll take its warm wood just to let you know that.

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So I will sometimes, at night, put it in water and then drink it.

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And that helps to get rid of parasite.

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And I'll feel better in the morning.

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And I'll know whether or not it works.

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And then sometimes it's, it's drinking just like cinnamon or if I feel really bad, like

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I think I'm getting sick, then I'm going to have garlic because, you know, garlic is

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an antibiotic.

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So you take a clove of garlic and you cut it up, you let it breathe.

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And then after about five minutes, you swallow that with water, that's an antibiotic.

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So it's natural.

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So I find natural ways to take care of myself.

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And then there are days when it creeps in and I don't have, I don't have sugar.

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I don't have white flour.

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I do have one cup of coffee.

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I'm not supposed to have caffeine, but you know, that's my vice.

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I have to have one cup of coffee.

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So I have one cup of coffee.

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And but no flour and no white potato.

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Nothing really starchy.

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I don't eat a lot of starches.

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I eat primarily protein and fruits and vegetables.

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like that.

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But if I stick to that, my weight goes down.

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I feel better. I look better and my inflammation starts to go down.

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I found a course that a young man put together that has to do with understanding that if you

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want to get rid of the inflammation in your body, you have to change your diet.

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Because if you change your diet, that helps to get rid of the inflammation.

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You want an anti-inflammatory diet, which works the best and combined with yoga and the

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meditation, I do quite well.

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I still have problems going up and downstairs.

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I had them to a physical therapist.

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They helped me.

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And what was so fun to go into the physical therapist was that the first exercise she had

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me do was down with bridge pose, which happens to be a yoga pose.

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Because she told me she said you don't have enough in your glutes.

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Your glutes aren't tight enough because that is your range of movement.

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And your range of movement is lacking because you haven't tightened them up enough.

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So she gave me exercises and you have to do that tight in your glutes and your range of movement

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will come back.

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And it did.

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I found that it did.

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stairs a little bit better.

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So I still had that problem, but I'm working on it.

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And to obviously be an alpha, right?

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So and you've written up in the gate.

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And by the way, sorry, I was so sorry.

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Okay, to do that part again as well.

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It's lucky I can edit, isn't it?

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Anyway, okay, great.

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Well, you know, that makes a lot of sense then.

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And now of course, you're an author too.

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So the title of the book, Open the Gate, has a really lovely meaning behind it, doesn't

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it?

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I mean, where did that phrase originally come from and what does opening it?

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And it generally phrase came from my youngest daughter went to the Hispanic College of Orn

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Design.

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And this was a picture that she had done.

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And it was a rose on a gate.

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And I looked at that and I said, Open the gate.

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Open the gate to meditation, to yoga, to wellness.

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So I made a CD, a meditation CD many years ago because of how I was, I am a certified meditation

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instructor in primordial sound meditation.

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I'm a certified yoga instructor.

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I'm certified in Orn Yveta.

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And so I wanted to present to people a meditation, a guided meditation for those people who

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kept telling me I can't meditate.

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I can't meditate.

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I can't clear my mind.

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I said, we have to find a piece within yourself.

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So I developed a guided meditation and I used that because I said it was to open the gate.

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Open the gate to your mind and listen to what's being in front of you and absorb it and take

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it in to find that piece within yourself.

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And that's what you need it to do.

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And so that's where Open the gate originated.

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And then when I started to write the book and when I first started writing the book, I

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thought, well, who's going to want to read this?

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And I said, well, I'm writing it for other people.

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And at one point in time, I'll tell you that this real quick is so that's where the title

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came from was my daughter.

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As I was walking my dogs around the block and there was a man on a lawnmower and he was bent

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over and I wasn't sure what was wrong with him because I was having brightest block at

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the time.

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And I just couldn't get past it and I kept thinking, I had a lot of doubts about what I was writing.

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And I looked at him and I said, are you okay?

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And he lifted his head and very sad.

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And I said, are you okay?

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And he said, no, I'm not.

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He said, I have been to three doctors.

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They don't know what I have.

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And I'm going to another one tomorrow and I'm hoping you can do something for me.

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Now, I noticed that this man had a little bit of a pouch of a belly.

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So I shared my story of how I went to my friend and cleaned out my gut and part of an expression

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but that's the term that most people use is cleaning out the gut and how that helped for

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me and it was kind of like a light bulb went off with him because he kind of perked up.

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And I said, you know, you might want to try something like that.

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And I think he did because he said, thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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And I said, you're welcome.

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To me, that was a synchronicity event because I had my doubts.

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I had my righteous vlog and I go out to walk my dogs and here's this man and all of a sudden

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he needs help and I was able to help him with my story.

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So that told me synchronistically that what I was writing could possibly help for other

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people.

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And that was the purpose of my book was to write it for other people to share you can be your

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own advocate.

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You have more knowledge in yourself than you know.

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Just don't let the pain take you over.

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Look at what you already know.

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Apply it to yourself and if your intuition leads you somewhere, pay attention.

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Pay attention to your intuition and try it out.

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If it doesn't work fine, do something else.

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But listen and if you are a diabetic physician, tell me when I was in my 40s having problems

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with my going into menopause, and he said, if you listen to your body, it will tell you what

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it needs.

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And that's very, very true.

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If you listen to your body, it will tell you what it needs.

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Exactly.

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And I mean, have you picked up any of this from all of your trips over to Egypt, which you

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know, the feature in your book and also I think you've been there several times.

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So is that the reason why you go there?

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Is it more of a spiritual thing?

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Was it just because you like the vacation?

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No, I go to Egypt because of the spirituality.

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I know that in my past life or parallel laws, depending upon what you believe in, that I

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have been Egyptian in many lifetimes.

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And I go for the spirituality.

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And when you go to Egypt, the energy there is just like, wow.

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And I went because the very first time I went to Egypt, the Egyptologist was talking and

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it was like, I didn't even worry, said, I am an energy worker.

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I am a righty answer.

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So I'm feeling this energy.

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And it's like he's going blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

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He's getting all this wonderful history of Egypt and nothing is going in.

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And I'm going, I have no idea what this place is about because of all of the energy.

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So I went back the second time to try to listen and the third time to listen.

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But then it was listening and the energy and the spirituality and going with a man who

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also does crystal bowls, who is a psychologist and he does crystal bowls and we would, he would

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take the crystal bowls in everywhere we went that if he could get them into the temples

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and into the great pyramid.

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And that sound, the acoustics in the great pyramid is just beyond explanation really.

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And it's a huge spiritual event.

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And I have gone back several times.

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In 2020, I decided that I was going to go and take a group of women myself.

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And so I did.

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I took a group of women with an Egyptologist and went to Egypt and took them and then I

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put my hand in a sand at the sink.

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I had done an adaptation at the sinks, put my hand in a sand, something bit me or stung

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me.

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I did know what it was.

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People have speculated that it was probably a baby scorpion.

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I said, if it was a baby scorpion, I think it would have really, really sit whether or

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not it was a baby or not from what I understand from what I read.

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And I surmised that it was some kind of parasite or a bug that I am highly allergic to mites

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of any kind and developed into a parasite.

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And I had parasites before.

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I've also been to India.

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And so for my yoga and reinforcing my yoga and my meditation was my trip to India as well

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as spiritual in going to India as well.

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So my trips mostly are spiritual but also to reinforce my education in what I know about

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yoga and meditation because even in Egypt we did that.

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But in Egypt it was sound.

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It was the sounds that brought you there, that with Dr. Paul who did the balls and singing.

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And that sort of thing, it was a wonderful experience.

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Well, did you know, honestly, it sounds quite amazing.

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You had me when you said parallel lives, not just past lives.

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I'm like, wow, okay.

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But I can understand what you mean about the sound.

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Going to those sorts of places, again, I haven't been but I can imagine it.

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And I'm very, well, jealous, actually, that you're able to be able to look at all these

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things in a sort of in a holistic way, right?

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And to understand the synchronicity of everything.

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I mean, you're also exploring what shamanism is at how you pronounce it.

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I hope not shamanism is a bit shamanism.

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I say shamanism, what are you saying is correct.

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It's got a lot of like a bit of tomato, shaman, shamanism, whatever.

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Yeah, okay.

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So shamanism, intuition, obviously meditation features a lot.

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And you've got personal spiritual experiences as you were saying.

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So how is your understanding of all of that spirituality then changed as you've become

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older maybe or as you're recovering through illness or that times in your life,

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where things have changed.

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Maybe you chose them to change or maybe you had employment issues or relationship issues

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or whatever it was.

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Do you think your spiritual energy changed over the course of your life then?

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Oh, yes.

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I was born and raised a Christian and believed in the natural process of Christianity, if

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you will.

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And I don't know what you were right raised in, but I was raised in the first perspiration

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in church and the Methodist church.

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And as somewhere along the line, I don't know why or how.

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It just didn't seem to make sense to me of what everybody was saying.

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I said, there seems to be more.

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And then when I became an energy worker, it was into the energy and feeling that energy.

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And when I feel that spiritual energy that moves me, I know that this is God universal

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energy that helps me to grow.

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And I don't know what to call it.

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Sometimes I call it God, sometimes I call it a universe.

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And it has become a beautiful spiritual journey for me in going through different places

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and exploring Buddhist, for instance, Hinduism and just explore Judaism.

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And I want to explore those different processes and the different religions and what people

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believe also Catholicism.

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I explored Catholicism because it was different from what I believed.

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And so that helped me to grow because it helped me to understand the feelings and spirituality

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of other people.

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And to honor that within them, and hopefully they would do it to me as well.

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And we could honor each other in that perspective.

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And it has helped me a great deal because it is the spirituality that I go back to as well.

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It's like I have in studying shamanism.

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I have what is called the Pacta Kutti Mesa because I studied under the tutelage of Donuts

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from Miracles out of them.

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And so I have that every morning or every evening when I am drawn to it, I usually do it every

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day.

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I sit in front of that.

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And that reflects the energies of what is outside within as well.

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What I mean by that is the earth is our bones and our tendons and our legaments.

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Then we have water which we know that we are about 70% water.

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We have wind, we breathe, we have sun, that's the digestive system.

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And then we have what is called the Kwechi which is has to be with the rainbow of life.

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And that has to do with our chakra system and understanding that chakra system and how

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that brings balance into our lives up to the male and female.

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So there's just so much out there and unlike a sponge, I'm like a sponge, I like to learn

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it, to practice it, to know it and to be it and to live it.

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And that's who I am and I try to reflect that in my book.

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Then you need to be authentic.

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I had to be authentic.

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I had to share who I am in the beliefs that I have because that's who I am.

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And that's what works for me.

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Might not work for you but that's okay.

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You have to find out what works for you and do it.

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And hopefully you can do that and apply it to yourself for you to become your own advocate.

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Well, I mean that's the really important thing isn't it being an advocate and actually understanding

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what it is that you need and being able to push forward.

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I think as well you've mentioned in the book about grief.

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After the loss of your husband Tom, that sort of thing.

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That's always hard to talk about and if you don't want to talk about it, that's fine.

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I'm sure you will understand.

475
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:12,800
But I mean, did dealing with grief like that become part of your wider journey then towards

476
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,880
your wellness and towards your understanding of spirituality?

477
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:16,880
Yes.

478
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:25,320
I imagine, I can say, I imagine that you probably felt that because of your beliefs, assuming

479
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:30,520
that you had them before you lost Tom, that you probably were able to deal with it better

480
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:36,160
than somebody who's just black and white kind of thing or an atheist or an agnostic or whichever

481
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:37,840
one it is.

482
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,760
Is that about right?

483
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:45,800
Well, let me tell you that I was married to one of a beautifully intellectual man who

484
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,880
said to me, "Do whatever makes you happy."

485
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:54,320
And he was a football beer drinking kind of guy.

486
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,120
He was not spiritual.

487
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,200
I was spiritual.

488
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,080
And he would even take me.

489
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:04,000
He took me to my first trip with Sedona and he took me to Sedona.

490
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,240
I had been to a trip in Binnany in the Bahamas to swim with dolphins.

491
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:09,240
He didn't want to go.

492
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,680
He'd been in the Navy.

493
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,560
He traveled in his job.

494
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:13,560
You go.

495
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:14,560
Okay.

496
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:18,920
So, I went and then I wanted to go to Sedona and he said, "Okay, I'll take you."

497
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,040
But he loved to go in the United States.

498
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,840
He hadn't explored the United States.

499
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,240
So I said, "Okay."

500
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,880
So we went to Sedona and I went out.

501
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:30,920
And I said, "I need to meditate with the land."

502
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:35,440
So we went to one of the vortices and I, he left me.

503
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:40,760
I was sitting in an area and he left me, but he could see me.

504
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:43,600
So he left me to do my thing.

505
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:48,520
He did not have a problem with me doing whatever I needed to do for my own spirituality.

506
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,800
He was not interested in participating.

507
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:54,080
But if it made me happy, he was happy.

508
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:58,160
And he kept an eye on me because he wanted to make sure I was safe.

509
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,800
And that was the kind of person that I was married to.

510
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:05,200
I was married to a man who let me be who I needed to be.

511
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,680
And he needed to be who I needed to be.

512
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,080
He needed to watch his foot.

513
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:12,840
Oh, but sometimes I would watch with him, very often.

514
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,280
But he was a very sports kind of minded guy.

515
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,400
And he loved to go to the Indianapolis 500.

516
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,640
And that was think that he had done with his family.

517
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,080
And he made 49 years.

518
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:25,880
He didn't make it his 50th year.

519
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,960
But he made 49 years to the Indianapolis 500.

520
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:31,960
And that was the thing that he loved to do.

521
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,280
He's a sports guy.

522
00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:35,440
I was not so great.

523
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:36,800
And he was okay with it.

524
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,800
We were okay with each other.

525
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:39,800
Yeah.

526
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:40,800
That's quite rare, isn't it?

527
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:41,800
Yeah.

528
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:42,800
He had several children.

529
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,840
So there were things that we did do together.

530
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:46,840
Yeah, of course, of course.

531
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:47,840
Yeah.

532
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:48,840
Oh my gosh.

533
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:49,840
Great.

534
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:50,840
Yeah.

535
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:52,200
And he was a big water scare.

536
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,360
He loved to water ski.

537
00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:58,760
And he built the beautiful house on the lake with a dock.

538
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:00,680
And it was a beautiful place.

539
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,640
And he was a beautiful man and a beautiful person.

540
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:05,800
And he was my rock for 40 years.

541
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:10,400
And it was tough for me when he passed.

542
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,160
My children were a great help.

543
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:17,200
But I was kind of like when you lose someone, you're in kind of Lala land for a while.

544
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,920
And I was there for a while.

545
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:29,280
But I know, once I got over the initial shock of losing it, even though I knew because he

546
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:35,440
had lung cancer that he was going to pass, we both knew that.

547
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:41,640
And once I got over his actual leaving, I have felt him and I know that he's here.

548
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:46,680
And I know that he's around me because I can feel his spirit.

549
00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:51,840
And I believe that he is just simply in a level of consciousness, which I will transcend

550
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:56,120
too whenever it is that I'm supposed to transcend too.

551
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:00,400
And that is a parallel life, which is going on simultaneously.

552
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,600
As you and I are sitting here talking, he said, "In another parallel life with me, and

553
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,720
I'll be there eventually too."

554
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:08,720
Yeah.

555
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:09,720
Maybe something's wrong.

556
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:13,360
To me, I think that's quite comforting as well, isn't it?

557
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,360
To understand that and it really helps.

558
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:17,360
I get it.

559
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:22,120
And I think it must be really comforting to feel that and know that as well.

560
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:28,200
I also have to mention Ellie and Dizzy, because you write that your dogs actually saved you.

561
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:29,800
I mean, that's amazing.

562
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:30,800
You mean literally?

563
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,800
How did having them in your life give you that particular point then?

564
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,480
Well, they're two little spirits.

565
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,440
I don't see them just as dogs.

566
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:43,320
I see them as spirits who chose me and I chose them.

567
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,320
And that was one of the most beautiful experiences.

568
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,040
I had been sick.

569
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:52,080
I thought that I was so sick that I was going to have to go into a nursing home.

570
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:54,040
And I even looked into nursing homes.

571
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:59,860
And my youngest son, who at the time lived in Denver, Colorado, and he said, "Mom, I can

572
00:33:59,860 --> 00:34:02,840
take care of you, but you have to move closer."

573
00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:03,840
So I said, "Okay.

574
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:08,880
So I went out to look at condominiums or homes."

575
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:10,440
And I really didn't find anything.

576
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:15,720
I was somewhat disappointed in the realtor that I was with who also sent me the book that

577
00:34:15,720 --> 00:34:18,280
I was talking about before.

578
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,560
I said, "I foster dogs."

579
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:27,520
And I said, "Would you like to go because I'm going to pick up a black lab for my daughter?"

580
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:28,920
And I said, "Sure.

581
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:35,040
I had dogs, but I had to even talk about getting an animal at all."

582
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:41,760
And so I went with her, they had just brought this truckload of dogs in from Texas.

583
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:47,440
And running around in front of me was this brown chihuahua with the biggest brown eyes,

584
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:48,920
looking out at me.

585
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:51,040
And this male chihuahua was chasing her.

586
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,960
And it was like, "Oh, please, please save me."

587
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:54,960
And I did.

588
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,200
I looked at her and I felt instantly and madly in love with her.

589
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,200
And then so I picked her up and I adopted her right away.

590
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:11,320
And then I saw this other dog, this little white chihuahua, part terrier, Ellie.

591
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,400
And Ellie was a very spirited dog.

592
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:20,120
She was literally climbing the chain link fence to get out.

593
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,200
She did not like to be corralled.

594
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,920
She just did not like to be confined.

595
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,040
And she couldn't do that.

596
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:30,760
So she fell down and started digging her way out frantically, trying to get underneath

597
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:31,760
the gate.

598
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,120
And I liked to see her too.

599
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,120
So I held her and she just shook all over.

600
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,040
She was so scared, so scared.

601
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:43,840
And Izzy had been a street dog, but Ellie had been adopted and given up.

602
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:45,440
She had had puppies.

603
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,760
And then they gave her up.

604
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,360
And I think they were going to breed her, but it didn't work out with her personality.

605
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,040
Because terriers are very hard to train.

606
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,560
And so they just brought me so much happiness.

607
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:02,520
And it was hard to get them home, but I got them back to Kentucky, which is where I was

608
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:03,520
living.

609
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,680
And let them go into the house and they were all over the place and all over each other.

610
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:09,600
And just running and jumping and playing.

611
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:18,600
I didn't realize how much that energy, that magnetic energy of laughing and playing two

612
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:22,760
little animals playing brought me so much happiness.

613
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:27,760
And I didn't realize that that was on an everyday level with them.

614
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:34,000
And I didn't realize that every day that brought me great love and great happiness and great

615
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,960
joy and great laughter.

616
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:41,080
All of the positive, wonderful attributes and emotions that you really need to have to

617
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,080
get better.

618
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:43,080
And I did get better.

619
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:47,360
I started getting better because of their energy and what they brought to me.

620
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:51,720
And then they would curl up next to me at night, even though they had a bed.

621
00:36:51,720 --> 00:36:56,360
They would crawl up next to me at night and they would sleep next to me and curl next to me.

622
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,800
So it was beautiful and it is beautiful.

623
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,640
It's still as beautiful and that's just the way they are.

624
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:06,840
And that has brought me and stayed with me and threw them and I would not get out and walk

625
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:08,320
if I didn't have them.

626
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:13,480
Which means I probably would be in a wheelchair instead of where I am because I have to take

627
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:14,480
the map.

628
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:19,880
I had a house that had a fenced in backyard and I still walked them.

629
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:24,360
That was a new time and my son moved from Denver to Utah.

630
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,720
And so then I bought a house in Utah and I did but I still walked them.

631
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:31,280
In Sedona, I have no, I'm in a condo.

632
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:35,280
There is no backyard that is gated.

633
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,120
So I have to walk them.

634
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:38,120
I have to get out.

635
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:39,120
I have to move.

636
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:40,560
That's what you have to do.

637
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,440
That's what I have to be my own advocate to keep myself going.

638
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,440
I have to keep my.

639
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,760
I understand the energy that you are talking about there with dogs as well.

640
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,160
It is my one dog.

641
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:57,040
If I work late nights or whatever and I come home in the morning and he just looks at me

642
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,040
and goes, "Oh, dad!"

643
00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:59,040
Like this.

644
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,560
It does make your heart melt, doesn't it?

645
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:03,560
It really does.

646
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,560
I have had children too.

647
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:06,560
But they are a pain.

648
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:08,560
But anyway, they are not.

649
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:09,560
Sorry guys.

650
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:10,560
They are not at all.

651
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,520
But the dog Barney is completely different.

652
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,360
So that is one of the things.

653
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,480
Listen Mary, we are running out of time unfortunately.

654
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:19,480
I know.

655
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:23,400
But listen to you all day and all night.

656
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:25,280
I think what you say is fascinating.

657
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:26,280
But you can see.

658
00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:27,280
Well, no, it is.

659
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:33,120
I mean, finally, for someone reading open the gates who may be going through their own

660
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:37,600
difficult period right now, whether it is illness or whether it is grief or whatever it

661
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:43,600
is, what do you most hope that they take away from your story?

662
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:50,240
I hope that they take away that they have more knowledge within themselves than they know.

663
00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:57,160
To listen to their body, to listen to their intuition and to follow it and realize that

664
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,280
you are much smarter than you give yourself credit for.

665
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:06,040
And you are in charge of making a decision and making a choice of what really suits you

666
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:07,440
the best.

667
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:08,760
Find your way.

668
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,440
Find your authenticity.

669
00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,120
Listen to your intuition.

670
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:13,560
Listen to your body.

671
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,320
Enjoy life.

672
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,000
And find if you are alone in isolated, get an animal.

673
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:24,080
Bring that love and that life and that energy back into your life.

674
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:31,080
Make everyday positive, everyday grateful for whatever it is you have or have had and will

675
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,080
have.

676
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:33,640
Be in gratitude.

677
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:39,040
It is a marvelous and beautiful energy to be every single day.

678
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:44,160
I say that before I get out of bed that I am grateful that I am awake and I have these wonderful

679
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:50,080
dogs and that I have this wonderful place where I live and I am just in great gratitude.

680
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:52,880
And I think it really does work.

681
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,120
That is the energy that you need to have.

682
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:57,320
Embrace yourself.

683
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:58,320
Embrace yourself.

684
00:39:58,320 --> 00:39:59,320
Exactly.

685
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:04,520
So be grateful and also bring energy into your own life.

686
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:05,520
Fantastic.

687
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:10,160
Mary, give us all your social details, websites and all that sort of stuff so people can get

688
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,760
in contact with you because I am sure people will.

689
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,320
So yeah, what is the best way to get in touch with you?

690
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,280
Well that would be nice for everybody to be able to get in touch with me.

691
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,440
Right now I have a website that is not up yet.

692
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:24,120
It is in the making.

693
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,840
It is MaryDGlesige.com.

694
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:31,080
If you go online you will see that it is in process.

695
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:37,720
And then I am currently on Facebook, Glesige and then I am on LinkedIn as MaryDGlesige.

696
00:40:37,720 --> 00:40:39,600
So you can go to LinkedIn if you are not.

697
00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:44,440
I would suggest it to you for a professional person to join LinkedIn.

698
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:48,960
You might find it to be very beneficial in connecting with many people all over the world.

699
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,160
Well, Mary Glesige, thank you so much for joining me.

700
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,040
I mean it has been great.

701
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,000
As you can tell I have been listening.

702
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,000
I think it is fantastic.

703
00:40:58,000 --> 00:40:59,000
I really do.

704
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,000
Thank you for having me.

705
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:02,000
That was fun.

706
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:07,640
I am now going to go off and be very thankful and quite spiritual I think tonight and tell

707
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:12,160
my wife about this because she is into the gut health and all of this.

708
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,920
So there would be quite nice talk about that for once.

709
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,320
But this is everybody.

710
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,320
Thank you very much for watching and listening.

711
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:20,320
Mary's book is Open the Gate.

712
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,720
A journey into synchronicity, as we have been hearing.

713
00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:29,480
It is a very personal story about illness, spirituality, grief, synchronicity and learning

714
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:32,960
to trust yourself a little more along the way.

715
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:36,800
Mary, it has been a pleasure talking to you and thank you for watching with the conversations

716
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:37,800
everyone else.

717
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:38,800
I am Chris Dabbs.

718
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:39,800
Goodbye.

719
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:40,800
Take care Mary.

720
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,480
Thank you.

721
00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:47,800
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722
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723
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